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The Bodies of Others: An Assault of Our Liberties by the Technocrats A Special Interview With Naomi Wolf By Dr. Joseph Mercola

The following is a transcript of the special interview, The Bodies of Others: An Assault of Our Liberties by the Technocrats, with Naomi Wolf by Dr. Joseph Mercola.

 

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Welcome, everyone. Dr. Mercola, helping you take control of your health. And today we're joined by Naomi Wolf. We're going to talk about her new book and some of her updates since the last time we interviewed her for her old book (which dovetails nicely into the present), which is “The End of America.” So welcome, and thank you for joining us today.

Naomi Wolf:

Thank you so much for having me, Dr. Mercola. I am a huge fan of what you do as I hope you know.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. Great. Well, thank you. So why don't you give us a little background story in what prompted you to write your new book and which details your experiences over the last few years during – I think “The End of America” was written pre-pandemic if I'm not mistaken. Is that correct?

Naomi Wolf:

That's right. It was written in 2008, which was the very start of this headlong rush toward tyranny that we've seen escalate so much the last two years.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. So we're having an exciting dialogue about that progression because this is not something new. This has been in the works for many years, decades, and we're just seeing what appears to be maybe the final implementation of their strategy. So why don't we go into your new book and tell us why you were motivated to write it? Because that's quite – I mean, it was 2008 was “The End of America” then your new – well, that's quite a stretch actually. That's about 13 years or 14 years.

Naomi Wolf:

I mean, I wrote “The End of America” when I saw that issues around terrorism and the terror threat post 9/11 were being used by, at that time, the Bush administration in such a way as to hype fear and strip us of our civil liberties. What I saw when I wrote “The End of America” was that – and you and I discussed this — was that there are 10 steps to fascism that leaders who want to crush a democracy will always take. They're the same 10 steps whether the leaders are on the left or on the right. It really doesn't matter. So, I looked at history and I looked at different times in places in which a robust democracy was crushed.

Naomi Wolf:

I saw that you start with invoking a terrifying internal and external threat. It can be a real threat, but it's hyped. You go on to surveil citizens. You create militia groups unaccountable to the rule of law. You create a Gulag. You start to demonize whistleblowers and critics. You start to call dissent, treason or espionage or subversion. And then you get to step 10, which is martial law, declaring emergency law.

Naomi Wolf:

Well, here we are at step 10. I realized by about June or July of 2020 when we were still under lockdown in New York state, I realized when my governor, Andrew Cuomo here in New York, my then governor, stated that we couldn't have more than six people in our homes, which is a massive violation of the Fourth Amendment and the First Amendment, right to assembly, the right to privacy.

Naomi Wolf:

I realized that this had nothing to do with a public health emergency. And that what we were seeing was step 10. We were seeing a wholesale race to exploit what was messaged as a global pandemic in such a way as to strip us of our remaining liberties and to terraform America conceptually into being ready to accept a CCP-style (Chinese Communist Party) World Economic Forum (WEF) guided post-humane and post-constitutional world. And that's only escalated.

Naomi Wolf:

So I walk the reader through the money flow. I show how bad actors ranging from the World Economic Forum, so much in the news right now to the Chinese Communist Party, to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. And of course, to Big Tech companies massaged pandemic policy in various ways to suit their ends. I show how millions are flowing to Big Tech companies especially as a result of completely medically unnecessary pandemic policies. And finally, I explain it speaking as a tech CEO, which I am now, that what the tech companies especially are driven by is that human beings in human space, having human conversations with human smiles and touch are a competition that they cannot manage to compete with.

Naomi Wolf:

So, a lot of the policies that were rolled out as related to a public health emergency really serve to kill off that human advantage and transfer assets to Big Tech companies.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay. So, regarding your step 10 in “The End of America,” the implementation of martial law, it seems like we're in a process right now which is actually taking that to a new level like step 10 A or B, which is the ratification of a World Health Organization treaty, which essentially gives them unbridled privileges of A, declaring an emergency and then B, having total authority to dictate what every country in the world should do.

Naomi Wolf:

Exactly.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

This is the most outrageous implementation and strategy, and it appears to be well on its way to being approved. So, I’m wondering if you can comment on that.

Naomi Wolf:

Yeah. No, nothing is more timely and important, Dr. Mercola. Indeed, that's what's happening. And the fact that Americans have not been able to see this treaty easily to lobby their representatives, to show up at their congresspeople’s and senators' offices, and to say, "Not in our name," that's just an example of why these metanational treaties are so extraordinarily dangerous. And this one in particular, the TPP, Trans-Pacific Partnership for instance, was a metanational treaty. A lot of people didn't like it, but it didn't so dramatically essentially dissolve the nation state.

Naomi Wolf:

And this is happening. I wish people would wake up sooner honestly. I've been warning people for about six months that a war is being waged against us here in the United States. We are at war even though we think we're not. We don't see bullets flying. This is a new kind of war, and it's a war that the Chinese Communist Party has developed very skillfully, Stalinists developed it skillfully.

Naomi Wolf:

We actually train people to do it to other countries at places like School of the Americas. It's never been done to us like this before, but look, Dr. Mercola, and I'll answer your immediate question about the WHO treaty, but look at the big picture please, everyone before I do. Our southern border is open. Thousands and thousands of people are pouring in.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Hundreds of thousands.

Naomi Wolf:

Hundreds of thousands. Exactly. Thank you. I'm in favor of legal immigration. I'm the daughter of immigrants. However, what's happening according to my sources is that fighting-age men from Ukraine and from Afghanistan are pouring in. Millions of dollars in state-of-the-art equipment, night vision goggles, military equipment, vanished in Afghanistan. We didn't recover it.

Naomi Wolf:

Where is it? Who knows? But these are men who are going all over the country, places we don't know. They're not being identified. They're destinations are not identified. They could be being put in place. We were very vulnerable. And then at north of us, our historically peaceful neighbor, Canada, their World Economic Forum puppet, Justin Trudeau, declared martial law for about 24 hours when the truckers were protesting in Ontario.

Naomi Wolf:

What you saw there was unidentified, very mercenary-looking – were they police? Were they soldiers? Very hard to tell because they weren't identified, which is characteristic of an unaccountable mercenary. And they were very violent toward peaceful, lawful Canadian protestors. You saw the same black-clad, unidentifiable, super fit-looking mercenaries. And the reason I say super fit is that if you look at your local cops, they don't look like highly trained global mercenaries. So dramatic physical difference. They don't look like special ops guys, right?

Naomi Wolf:

Same thing in France. When there were protests against the green pass, dramatic violence, shocking scenes by these unidentifiable mercenaries. Well, and then if you look at the emergency, I mean, all the pieces are so obvious. President Biden extended emergency law in April. It was the eighth time he extended it. This time he didn't even bother to say it was due to a public health emergency. He said it was due to instability in Iraq.

Naomi Wolf:

But what that did was it allowed him to flow millions of dollars unaccountably to Health and Human Services (HHS). So he's basically weaponizing Health and Human Services all the way down to boards of health, which have been weaponized during the pandemic. And so we are at step 10. This is step 10. Nothing legally prevents right now here in New York state, the governor from doing what she's trying to do, which is create quarantine facilities and have a regulation to drag people off to open-ended quarantine if they're exposed to a bloodborne pathogen.

Naomi Wolf:

We narrowly defeated a similar regulation proposal in Washington state. But with the World Health Organization treaty, they will have the right. Nothing will stop them from having mercenaries that I can't identify show up at the end of my driveway and say, "Naomi Wolf, you're a public health threat." And the reason they can do this also is that this messaging is focusing on mental health too.

Naomi Wolf:

So if you fold mental health into public health, then you get a rationale to say, "Oh, dissent is a form of craziness." The way that it's framed in, for instance, communist China. So, we are dissolving sovereignty all over the world if the WHO treaty is signed. It's absolutely terrifying. We need to wake up and realize that this war is being waged against us. Our nation is literally – traders are dissolving the boundaries of our nation.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Okay. So you mentioned that there's a war being waged against the United States. I suspect that the perpetrators of this war are the global cabal that embraces technocracy.

Naomi Wolf:

There are several camps of perpetrators from my analysis. And I just want to credit you Dr. Mercola because you were way ahead of the curve in identifying how serious this was and the sources from which it would emanate. But I don't see them as no light between them. I see that they're loosely operating in concert. As I mentioned, certainly technocrats, Big Tech is an

alliance of technocrats. Certainly the World Economic Forum. Again, they're not in lockstep and using the CCP, kind of as a cat's paw.

Naomi Wolf:

[Big] Pharma isn't even the main driver in my judgment as powerful and scary as it is. I think they're using Pharma as a weapon, basically as a global weapon. So, these entities, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and other bad nonprofits like EcoHealth Alliance, which is at the center of everything, and this is Peter Daszak's organization and other aligned bad nonprofits like the Committee for State and Territorial Epidemiologists.

Naomi Wolf:

These third-party nonprofits allow government agencies like the CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) to offshore their criminality. For instance, the CDC contracted with these third parties to manage their data. And my book shows how there's been a consistent mismanagement or manipulation of data around the pandemic to the extent that one of my chapters is called, “The Unverifiable Pandemic.”

Naomi Wolf:

So all of these bad actors are loosely aligned. They're talking to each other. Amazon and Google and Microsoft benefit from the pandemic in ways that I show Google owns Baseline, which you have to sign in to get a CVS, PCR test. Microsoft builds the vaccine passports. Bill Gates is invested in the vaccines. I just did a bombshell interview with RFK Jr. in which he said all of the Big Tech companies are invested in vaccines.

Naomi Wolf:

It's a pretty, fully fleshed out methodology that involves Big Tech, involves CCP, involves World Economic Forum, and now the WHO as a delivery method to create a One World matrix in which nation states are meaningless, parliaments and congresses are meaningless and all of us are surveilled or tracked and regularly injected or forced to take whatever pill or treatment or intervention they want us to take in such a way as to make freedom a thing of the past. And also in such a way as to harvest all of our data continually, which is gold for tech companies.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, and ultimately harvest us, really.

Naomi Wolf:

And ultimately harvest us. Dr. Mercola, I hate to say this, but you're not wrong. I didn't want to believe this. But my husband, Brian O'Shea, is a highly trained investigator who spent 12 years in military intelligence and with special forces and then did competitive intelligence. And he warned me early on and has shown me the documentation, pardon me, that China wants to be by 2049, the repository of all the world's DNA. The DNA of everyone.

Naomi Wolf:

And that's why questions like, “Where does the DNA go?” When you have a nasal swab. The last two nasal swabs I had, had Chinese lettering on them. I don't know where it goes. CVS didn't know where it goes. But in addition to all of our DNA, this seems too horrific to be believed. But I have seen the documentation provided by my husband, first-hand documentation. And I'm open to believing that these people are such monsters.

Naomi Wolf:

There's a highly lucrative traffic in organs in China. And they harvest organs from Uyghurs, which you know. So all of these startups that are popping up everywhere to assess the health of your organs. These people have no respect for human life. I've just done reporting along with the DailyClout WarRoom researchers reading Pfizer papers, showing that there's disruptions in baby formula supply. The mRNA vaccine, we've proven poisons breast milk in certain critical ways. And these tech bros invested in something called BioMilk, which is a lab made breast milk substitute.

Naomi Wolf:

I think these people will stop at nothing. I'm pro-choice, but there's aborted fetal cell lines in the mRNA vaccines that Catholics don't want to take. I mean, there new laws that have been passed that kind of allow a newborn to be euthanized within a month after birth. I'm a traditional liberal, I'm pro-choice, I'm not kind of ideologically rigid about science, but the people running this have no respect for human life and they've shown that in the way they run China.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

I'm sure you're familiar with Mattias Desmet's work, the professor of psychology out of University of Belgium. And he's responsible for the concept of mass formation or at least bringing it to public awareness primarily through Dr. Robert Malone, popularizing it on the 50-million view broadcast that he did with Joe Rogan on New Year's Eve. So, I had a recent interview with him. I suspect your interview might go up before his because we're aligning it with the publication of his new book, “The Psychology of Totalitarianism,” I believe.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

It's his thesis that, essentially, dictatorships can last for centuries, if the dictators are benevolent. But totalitarian regimes and the best examples, of course, we have, are Nazi Germany and Russians with Stalin, tend to invariably self-destruct. So, the reason I state that as a premise, it is his contention that this process that we are rapidly approaching a global totalitarianism, no question. We've never had this before. We've only had in specific countries.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

So, if it self-destructs and it seems like this China plan that you referenced for control of DNA and the world population is almost irrelevant because the whole system is going to collapse before then. I tend to agree with this assessment. So, I'm wondering what – you're a really critical thinker in this area. You haven't lost those skills. You haven't been brainwashed by the propaganda, like essentially 90% of the United States population. So, I'm wondering what your thoughts are on this.

Naomi Wolf:

So the question is, do I agree that totalitarian regimes inevitably self-destruct?

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yes. And if they do then that really mitigates any – not mitigates, but dramatically lowers the impact of future projections, because things are going to change so radically.

Naomi Wolf:

Oh my gosh. Well, first a shout out to our publisher, Chelsea Green, who I think-

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yes, my publisher too.

Naomi Wolf:

Yeah, exactly. That's why I said our publisher. They're always at the forefront of important work that is too controversial because it's true for mainstream publishers to handle. Or legacy publishers, I should say. So I haven't read it yet. I was just given it. But from what you're describing, I gently want to say, I don't agree in the sense that, sure the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century collapsed eventually. Did they? They collapsed after a world war and millions of deaths. And they collapsed-

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Or tens of millions. Tens of millions.

Naomi Wolf:

Tens of millions. Thank you. And they collapsed in the case of Russia with mass famines and deaths in Gulags and suppression of liberty for decades and decades. And have they really collapsed? I mean, I see Klaus Schwab as a direct heir to Nazi eugenicists. And Bill and Melinda Gates are carrying on Nazi eugenicists approaches to the human race.

Naomi Wolf:

The way the WEF is trying to manage human beings descends from Nazism. And as I've said elsewhere, and again, I'm the granddaughter of woman who lost nine brothers and sisters to Nazis. So, I don't say this lightly, and don't take this out of context, but Nazism was too good an idea for it to be killed off in 1945, meaning it was too effective. And we're seeing Nazi approaches to human life, right? The creation of a two-tier society, vaccinated/unvaccinated, life unworthy of life. I've got a section of my book looking at the history of restrictions and how always restrictions on assembly, restrictions on commerce, life with Jim Crow laws, or with restrictions on where Native Americans could travel to, how they could trade, those always, or Jews in Vichy France.

Naomi Wolf:

Those always proceed theft of assets. So that's what's happening now to the whole world with lockdowns. All of humanity was restricted in advance of a massive theft of their assets. And

that's going to continue unless we resist it. But no, I don't agree that totalitarian regimes – well, first of all, in the 20th century, they collapsed after massive death, starvation, and upheaval and suffering.

Naomi Wolf:

But second of all, Holy Roman Empire lasted for 800 years, I believe and it was pretty totalitarian. The Roman Empire, they crucified people. It was pretty totalitarian. Living in Palestine in Jesus' time, under the occupation of the Romans, that lasted for centuries and centuries. So, sure, if we've got 500 years or 800 years into the future, maybe the global totalitarianism that's being erected right now will have collapsed, but I don't think we should relax because-

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

No, this is not a call to relax. It's just sort of attempting to project or estimate what's the most likely scenario.

Naomi Wolf:

I mean, look, another-

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

I haven't seen anyone who's projecting good times ahead. We're in a lull right now. They've relaxed the mandates and such. It seems to be more at least freer, but this is the eye of the hurricane. It's going to get much worse.

Naomi Wolf:

And I totally agree with you. May I say one thing about [crosstalk 00:22:52] the argument? And again, I feel ashamed because I haven't read it yet.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

The book is not even published yet.

Naomi Wolf:

Right. But there is another distinguishing factor that we have to take into account with this erection of totalitarianism, globally, compared with those in the past. And that's the role of artificial intelligence-

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah.

Naomi Wolf:

-which you address. AI now has the capability, which I think we saw in the messaging around the COVID pandemic to tell the same story at the same time around the world at a scale that no human propagandists could ever match.

Naomi Wolf:

AI is like a cat's cradle so that it can take inputs from India about how people are receiving a propaganda message and adjust it. Or it can take inputs from people's behavior in real time or the reactions on social media and adjust it. So there's a meta – and people haven't even been informed about the extent to which AI can even tweak existing journalism.

Naomi Wolf:

So that for instance, every time you read the word Delta variant, you would see in front of it the words, “highly transmissible.” And every time you saw the word myocarditis, you would see in front of it, “extremely rare.” So that's AI and that's happening all over the world with all flows of communications or virtually all flows of communications.

So, people can be propagandized into Desmet's larger point about mental health, they could be hypnotized and lied to and an artificial reality could be created for them conceptually at a much more sophisticated level than human beings have ever accomplished, even with Goebbels, even with the greatest propagandist in history.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

No. We are in the midst of the greatest propaganda campaign in the history of the world. There's nothing that succeeded this. And I agree that AI is a big component and especially it's going to be even huger when we develop artificial journal intelligence, which should be well before 2049. But it's the whole broader scope of technology and its influence, which grows almost exponentially every year. And the capabilities as you're well aware of it being a CEO of a tech company. So, it's all of that.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

I attempted to dialogue with Desmet on this, and he's not really proficient in that area. So, we didn't really go too deep in that. But my concern is that with these tools, just as you mentioned, that their capabilities are dramatically, exponentially increased to penetrate compared to the last century. There's no comparison. It's just outrageously expanded. Which gives them the capability to rapidly introduce their attempts, I think, into the population. We're seeing it. I mean, it's just exploded.

Naomi Wolf:

No, I totally agree with you. And a lot of people understandably... Technology, it's like the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages. No disrespect to Catholics. Tech companies and tech CEOs and tech writers have really tried to bamboozle people and make this discourse harder than it needs to be to keep people in the dark so that they can maintain their hegemony.

Naomi Wolf:

And the same is true, I think for data. A big part of my book kind of explains how digital dashboards assemble health data to show that all these dashboards that this whole pandemic terror were based on really can't be verified because you can't see the raw datasets.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

They're essentially fraudulent, which you magnificently exposed.

Naomi Wolf:

Well, we don't know because they won't let us see the datasets. Right? In a tech space, if you can't see the raw dataset, something's wrong right? Because that's how people in digital technology verify that a dashboard is representing what's really happening on the backend. So, they're probably fraudulent. And I go into detail about how even if it turns out they're not, and they probably are because we can't see the datasets, the way that the numbers have been miscommunicated or lied about to the press who took dictation without question, that's essentially a giant set of lives.

Naomi Wolf:

So, for instance, these dashboards would always represent people, a giant number of all the people who had ever been infected ever, and this is like two years into the pandemic without revealing that that's a cumulative total. It includes people who had recovered, which is most everyone. So it's a nonsensical number and they also would do things like really sneaky, awful things like stop counting over a holiday weekend like Thanksgiving, and then restart again so that the datasets would've stacked up. So, it would show a spike.

Naomi Wolf:

"Oh look, you hugged your grandma at Thanksgiving. Now, there's a spike in COVID and it's your fault. Your grandma is going to die." And that just wasn't real. There's also no reason to do it because the counting is automatic. The counting doesn't take human beings. There's no reason to stop it over a holiday weekend. It's not people are getting tired and have to go home. The machines do the counting.

Naomi Wolf:

Other things that are super questionable and bad like in Oregon, they report a COVID case. They defined it as cough or a fever, presenting with cough or a fever. So, all of those coughs and fevers are feeding into the Oregon datasets. So, my poor mom who lives in Oregon is like, "Oh my God, I can't go out." I'm like, "Mom, let's look at the numbers." And then it would turn out that like in her county, eight people presented with cough or fever and now there's 10 people.

Naomi Wolf:

And the local newspaper is reporting it as a 20% spike in COVID cases. Right? All kinds of nonsense. But where I was going with that is that people have to become literate about data and it's not that hard. They have to become literate about digital technology and it's not that hard. But I also call for, and this sounds counterintuitive, we've been messaged, Dr. Mercola for the last 15 years that everything we do as humans in the analog world without high tech is less good than what tech can do.

Naomi Wolf:

But in many ways, and this is so clear right now at this critical moment in history, what I call the “analog humane world” has revolutionary capacities that technology can't compete with. And we need to, paradoxically, in this time of crisis, I call on people to reclaim our analog humane world

and objects. And what are those? In-person assemblies, you can't hack them. You can't surveil them. A group of people in a living room talking to one another is really hard to hack or infiltrate.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Well, you could, if anyone has their cellphone.

Naomi Wolf:

Well, exactly.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

It's totally monitored.

Naomi Wolf:

Totally. You're absolutely right. And there are bags that activists, I know, carry with them to put their cell phones in. So, we're in Russia in 1982 again. But other things like books, physical books, physical libraries, physical bookstores, houses of worship, in-person schools, coins, metal coins, paper money. You can't track them. Combustion engine cars as opposed to electric cars or driverless cars. They can't be tracked as easily.

Naomi Wolf:

We're really going to have – and I kind of tell people like get off of digital technology and have a humane reality for most of your information because literally most of the narratives around what COVID was doing were communicated to us by digital technology, by Google, by Facebook, by Twitter, who are de-platforming people like you and me and putting the alarm signals everywhere if you go here or go there, how clean is it?

Naomi Wolf:

But if you just count on your own lived experience, the bodies were not stacking up. I'm not saying it was a trivial public health problem. But if we had lived through 1920 to 1922, relying on human life experience, the stories our neighbors were telling us what we were hearing from our friends, we would've lived through a time in which there was a bad respiratory disease around, but not in which all human activity had to come to a close.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yes, indeed. So, I like the direction you were taking this conversation with respect to some of the strategies that people can implement because it's wonderful to have an understanding, a historical perspective on what's just happened so that you can predict the future, at least reliably predict the likely outcomes. In fact, our mutual publisher, Chelsea Green, let's see, the president or owner, Margo Baldwin, she has encouraged our team to write a book on this topic. So I'm exploring that.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

So I'd be very curious with the knowledge you've accumulated. You've come up with some ideas of what's going to happen and I'm wondering if you could outline some of your best recommendations on what people should do to prepare for this. I mean, there's virtually no one that I have connected with who's knowledgeable in this area has disagreed with the fact that it's going to get worse. We're in complete agreement, almost universally on that.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

So, what do we do to prepare? That's the question on the table because there's going to be a limited time. We don't know when it's going to get worse. I mean, it could be next week. It could be next month. It could be two or three years. I don't know, but I think it's going to be sooner rather than later.

Naomi Wolf:

Well, I do agree with you, Dr. Mercola. Here's my sense of the immediate timeline and I've been unfortunately right with every projection since I started making them, since this pandemic began. So, I just want to tell you a timeline that I want to give you suggestions.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Perfect.

Naomi Wolf:

The timeline is not good. November is going to be a very dangerous month in America. I mean, these people will stop at nothing and I'm literally afraid of, like, a nuclear attack.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Definitely on the table. Definitely on the table.

Naomi Wolf:

Exactly. I'm afraid that the war in Ukraine will be the proxy or the rationale for an attack on the homeland. And it'll be blamed on Russia, but it could be like with these transnational entities, it could be anyone.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

And it could even be a false flag. They could do it to ourselves.

Naomi Wolf:

Well, quite. I want to tease out a little bit what you just said about a false flag. I think we're even beyond a false flag right now in America because I thoroughly believe that our White House is captured by China that we have a puppet and that – Hunter Biden's laptop. I voted for the Biden administration, which is embarrassing given that they're committing treason, but they can't resist what China and the World Economic Forum want them to do.

Naomi Wolf:

So that's why I've been saying if you look at the harms in the Pfizer documents that my team has revealed, this is an attack. It's a biological attack. The disruption of our food supplies. I mentioned this earlier, it's an attack. So, we are under occupation now. It's not going to happen in the future. We have to notice that we are already under occupation.

Naomi Wolf:

I used to be a political consultant. Every single thing that the Biden administration has done in terms of messaging and symbolism has served to lower the status of the United States internationally and to demean our symbols. I mean, even little things like checking his watch three times at a military funeral. That's not an accident. Those things are highly scripted. And over and over again, you can see an external hand dialing down the prestige and authority of the United States.

Naomi Wolf:

The withdrawal from Afghanistan, that did nothing but trash our standing, internationally. So, point is we have a captured White House and that's very dangerous because it means that the FDA (Food and Drug Administration) may or may not let poisonous food reach our shelves. The FDA turned a blind eye or colluded with unbelievable harms revealed in the Pfizer documents, which I love to go into another time on your show.

Naomi Wolf:

So the FDA can't be trusted. The CDC can't be trusted. So basically, the timeline is you can expect more and more disorienting narratives of confusing public events, more and more, "It's monkeypox, it's smallpox, it's tuberculosis," to make you feel off-kilter and panicked right up until November.

Naomi Wolf:

In November, I anticipate, I'm sorry to say this, a giant crisis, which will have the effect of, "It's not safe to leave your homes. Everything is radioactive, or it's not safe to leave your homes. There's smallpox everywhere. Or there's mass shooters on the loose. It's not safe to leave your homes." And this will drive voters to have to vote by mail instead of in-person.

Naomi Wolf:

And the reason I say this is as a political consultant, there is no way that these people are acting like they're going to be midterms. They're just not. They're just acting like there's never going to be accountability. They're never going to be investigations. They're never going to be impeached there, so there will be no midterms. So, if I were to bet, I would bet that the midterms will be dramatically compromised if not taken off the table altogether or made cosmetic cursory.

Naomi Wolf:

I would imagine that we're going to see more and more gangs. What happens right now is militias and you don't know who they are. So, we're going to see more and more gangs wreaking havoc in inner cities or wreaking havoc in business with businesses and they'll be called something or other. They'll be called Antifa or they'll be called Proud Boys, but really their job – we don't know who they are and their job will be to terrorize everyone.

Naomi Wolf:

I think LA is well along with this and to create the complete loosening of social bonds and the civil contract and lead people to really wealthy people in a lot of Latin American countries with horrible gang violence, scared to leave their homes, hiring private security and so on. The defunding of the police is directly contributing to this. It's part of this process, and it's worked.

Naomi Wolf:

There are so many cities that are uninhabitable now in effect with no civil life because of the defunding of police. So that's going to escalate. We'll kind of be in a world which is a lot like Sierra Leone after this civil war where you're not at war, but you're not safe. And then you have to pay for protection or the cops don't answer calls, or you're at the mercy of gangs.

Naomi Wolf:

After that, or along with that, there'll continue to be disruptions in the food supply, certainly disruptions in the energy grid and probably cyberattacks. So, there's going to be parts of the country that are going to be in darkness or unable to communicate intermittently and that will add to our fear. So, all of this is going to play out and it's going to play out around the world and they're not going to stop.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

This playing out is this year?

Naomi Wolf:

I certainly see it ramping up this year, but see, these guys are so clever and AI is part of this. It's going to ramp up, not like you wake up one morning and, "Oh my God, the world has changed." But day after day after day, worse and worse. As it has been. If you told me a year ago, or if I told you that we'd be sitting here talking about the dissolution of sovereignty in America and no baby food. America? We'd think, "Oh, that's not possible."

Naomi Wolf:

A lot of it will play out this year, but not dramatically enough to elicit an effective counter-reaction. And that's their goal. Having said that, there are many things that you can do. And so, there's just going to be a degradation around the world, around Eastern Europe of the right to assembly. Parliaments will be told it's not safe to convene or you won't be able to see what parliament is doing. You won't be able to see what Congress is doing.

Naomi Wolf:

At this point, historically, I hate to say it, elected leaders get death threats. They get the message that it's not safe for them to legislate the way they want to legislate. Historically, there's going to be a six-month period at some point in the near future in which opposition leaders, civil rights leaders, outspoken journalists and editors will be arrested and taken somewhere.

Naomi Wolf:

Who knows where they went and either they'll appear again like Ai Weiwei or they won't. And that's the point. This happened in Germany in 1933, and that's the point at which civil society just shuts down even without a coup because everyone's afraid. So, I guess that's the way it'll go if we don't stop it. There are many, many things to do if we stop it.

Naomi Wolf:

And by the way, at that point that there's this much kind of instability and then of course these mercenaries show up to reimpose order, but they're not our mercenaries, then formally, there's no more United States.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

What your projection of the probability of that happening?

Naomi Wolf:

Well, again, this is like, we're in a time of radical testing of our free will, right?

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah, absolutely.

Naomi Wolf:

If we don't wake up, it's 95% that it's going to go this way.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

And along those lines, one of the other things I discussed with Desmet is that it's only 10% of the people who haven't been brainwashed. There's maybe 60% who are in this quasi period, but 30% are brainwashed. Only 10% of the people are awake.

Naomi Wolf:

You're right.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

And that's a consistent estimation from a wide number of people who really know this field really well. So, it's 10%. And you agree with it. I mean, you’re the expert and you agree with it. So, it's a small group of people who are going to be even able to take action.

Naomi Wolf:

I mean, it is, but I think that the numbers are higher in the United States and that's due to a lot of hard work of a lot of people in the last year and a half, including you. So, I guess what I would say is that there's a robust grassroots resistance to this in the United States. And the Second Amendment is – I can't believe I'm saying this – but Second Amendment is the key to the U.S. having hope that other countries don't have.

Naomi Wolf:

So yes, I would say maybe 30% to 35%. There's a huge conservative and libertarian press here that hasn't been propagandized in the same way. It's weird, right? You'd think the liberal press would be about science and critical thinking, but they're wholly bought off as I point out in “The Bodies of Others.”

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Their communication channels have been impaired. So, they're not on YouTube or Twitter, or Facebook. But they there's certainly many other platforms that they're available on.

Naomi Wolf:

Absolutely. No question. Even though I agree with you that it's a minority who are awake as you put it, and I was just contacted by a member of the European parliament who wants to bring the Pfizer findings to the European parliament because she said, as you're saying, people really don't know they're going along with it. They have no idea.

Naomi Wolf:

Well, first I want to say in America, there is a lot you can do. And even worldwide. This fight is going to only be successful locally and on a state level. So, the things you can do are – I'm learning marksmanship. I hate to say it, but this is where we're at. I'm a peaceful person. I hope no one takes this out of context, but you need to be able to defend your family. You need to be able to hunt. I mean, we are getting to that point, right? Even if you hate guns, now is the time to learn marksmanship and be comfortable with a weapon because you may need to kill for food.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

It's not just marksmanship. There's just whole courses that go along with gun safety, and how to use it, and carry it, and care for them. There's an educational curve on there and you really need to engage in that if you haven't never had any training in that area.

Naomi Wolf:

Thank you so much. I appreciate that. I'm new to this. So I appreciate you adding that.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Because I was well-prepped for Y2K.

Naomi Wolf:

Wow.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

That's when I got my education, I actually attended several military training courses and how to shoot and prepare yourself.

Naomi Wolf:

Yeah, Dr. Mercola, the things you were trained for with Y2K are probably the same things I'm going to be saying.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Identical, identical.

Naomi Wolf:

Yeah. Know where your food is coming from. Make friends with farmers. Create, if you can, in the country, or join a CSA (community-supported agriculture) with your neighbors. Imagine that you wake up one day and there's no – well, you went through this with Y2K and there's no electricity and no digital communications. What will you do? Do you have a plan? I tell people to print out their bank statements and their asset statements because The Great Reset, you should expect that there'll be some giant blitz and it'll all vanish. “Oh, what do you mean you own this property? No, you don't.”

Naomi Wolf:

And then I would say at a state level we can fight this in the United States because Governor DeSantis said the World Economic Forum, they're not going to enforce it in Florida. The New Hampshire legislature passed a really good bill saying the federal government can pass. If they pass an unconstitutional law, they're not going to enforce it in New Hampshire.

Naomi Wolf:

We have been very successful at DailyClout state by state, mobilizing people to lobby their state representatives. But they have to do it fast to pass laws and to show massive grassroots movement to not enforce the World Economic Forum diktats at the state level. And our founders were such geniuses because they set up our system so that states could do this.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. The caveat around that, I just did an article. I think that Dr. Robert Malone wrote addressing DeSantis in Florida, the threat that the federal government is using is withholding federal tax benefits to the state. So, what he was saying is that encouraging the states to stand up, they've got to say no to the federal subsidies to retain their sovereignty.

Naomi Wolf:

Right. And so, Dr. Mercola, you're identifying a really important core tenet of what has to be a new movement in America, can be a model for the rest of the world. What I foresee is that there's going to be a movement of institutions and spokespeople that are publicly forswearing CCP money and federal money if it's corrupted and World Economic Forum money, which is doubtless going to flow. And they'll be open to disclosing their books, disclosing their funders.

Naomi Wolf:

And the goal now is to create a whole alternative civil society. And I've actually just bought a property to start an institute to do that, to invite all the people who are doing that. I hope to invite you as well to create uncorrupted science, uncorrupted journalism, uncorrupted medicine. And hopefully we can invite governors and heads of universities and so on to take the pledge and create uncorrupted American institutions that are answerable to the American people and kind of a new rebirth of anti-globalist corruption. And it's going to take that at the very least.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

That's a noble goal. So, are there any other recommendations that you have with respect to preparing? Because I don't think you really addressed that in your book, the body, which I never named your book. I think it's “The Body of Others?”

Naomi Wolf:

“The Bodies of Others.”

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

“The Bodies of Others: The New Authoritarians, COVID-19 and the War Against the Human.”

Naomi Wolf:

Yes.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

And that will be available in-

Naomi Wolf:

On Tuesday.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

On Tuesday. Okay, good.

Naomi Wolf:

Preorder it now.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. But I don't think you really discussed what you just reviewed now, which is, I was curious to find out if you would, because to me that's one of the most important areas is what do we do? So, we know all this. What do we do? We don't have to be convinced. We've gone through years. We've done our training. What's the next step?

Naomi Wolf:

Well, I do think that in the analysis I offer in “The Bodies of Others” by explaining what's behind so many directives. We readers do understand a lot about what to do. I mean, I agree that I've just added some detail, but I explain so thoroughly how fake the data are as you have and other people have – I think that people have read my book, like my mom. I think my book is a good antidote to “The Psychology of Totalitarianism.”

Naomi Wolf:

I think it's like with “The Beauty Myth,” much smaller example, but “The Beauty Myth,” deconstructed a mythology and people said, readers said, that they felt freed of this hypnosis after having read “The Beauty Myth.” By the same token, I do believe, and I'm hearing that

people who are reading “The Bodies of Others” can kind of break apart this hypnosis that's been laid on them because they can use critical thinking to know when they're being lied to. I think that's fundamental to whatever we do together next to have that free will back again.

Naomi Wolf:

I think that my call to re-embrace the analog world and identifying what that looks is fundamental. When you get a hundred people in a town hall talking to each other in person, solutions arise, that aren't prescriptive and that aren't top-down. But it's that technology of getting a hundred people together in a town hall that has to be re-embraced and re-defended before those solutions arise that are going to be appropriate for that local community.

Naomi Wolf:

I also think that by showing people how the legislative process got corrupted and providing on my site DailyClout, the way to draft your own laws and pass your own laws, I am providing people with very concrete ways to protect their liberties and to know what to do in the future. So, I hear you, but I do think that there's a pretty clear blueprint in the book as well.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

It's also a matter of leading by example. I know you described your journey into having the courage to take some of the actions that you did by using others as role models and inspiring you to action. But then even by your actions, you actually are inspiring others. And I think of one area in the book where you implore people to recognize that you're going to have to abandon some long-cherished activities or traditions like you had to give up to – I think you moved to a more rural area in New York and then you found a new synagogue and because of your positions, they eventually told you to leave.

Naomi Wolf:

They kicked me out.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

They kicked you out, which is interesting. So, you basically need to wake up and rethink things and take a look around and do the analysis because we're in a rapidly changing world.

Naomi Wolf:

Indeed. And I feel remiss if I didn't add – Totally, yes, what you just said. I personally have had to give up my status as a media darling on the left, and my friends, and my networks on the left when I began to do real reporting on this pandemic and on the mRNA vaccines. We are in a time where people will have to decide, "What am I here for on this planet?" And just know that if you cling to lies and you cling to your professional status, your children will live as slaves and so will you.

Naomi Wolf:

It's time to be brave because if we're a little bit brave now, we don't have to be horrifically brave in the near future. On a happier note, I do see that people are creating new alliances transcending

left and right grassroots uniting to defend our constitution on our nation. But I do feel I would be remiss if I didn't say to you, and this is hard for me to say because I'm trained at Yale and Oxford and I'm not supposed to talk like this, but I also think we're in a massive spiritual moment that we're in a biblical moment and that there's a level of metaphysics over and above the material and the political assault on us in our reaction.

Naomi Wolf:

I'm just speaking for myself, but I do feel like this is part of the picture, the nature of the evil that is unfolded around us. So holistically so quickly and all these people moving in lockstep, even with AI and all these people losing free will at once and all this targeting of touch and compassion and family and children and babies now with the research that we've done. The way the mRNA vaccines target the fetus, target the amniotic membrane, target lactation. This is an evil beyond what Nazis could accomplish, right?

Naomi Wolf:

This is an evil of a Miltonic scale. And I've looked at it from all sides, and I'm just going to say this, I can't account for it with purely human material processes. It's got an element of sophistication and scale and grandeur that really seems beyond human to me and to have an element of the just massive existential evil. I'm Jewish, so we don't have a highly developed notion of Satan, but these seem to be malevolent forces that can accomplish things beyond what human beings can accomplish.

Naomi Wolf:

So as a result, I have started to believe in God in a more literal way than I used to because these malevolent forces seem to be directed at what is good. What is divine? The human face, which is my tradition says, an image of God. The human body, which is made in God's image.

Naomi Wolf:

Love, which is a manifestation of the divine according to many religious traditions. So, the family, it's like all the things that are being targeted are what is divine about our human journey on this planet? I don't know where to go with that except that it seems like we're in a moment in which in addition to all the things we can do, and I'm just speaking for myself, I think we can pray.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah.

Naomi Wolf:

Like to me getting out of this, we don't have the ability just as human beings to get out of it. It's too big. But I do believe that getting out of it requires an awakening that's massive. And for myself anyway, asking for divine help, it's worked before.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

No, I couldn't agree more. I think that's a beautiful summary and way to end and really focusing on sort of the unintended consequences that these malevolent forces are influencing our culture. And that just as an example, the recent one is the shortage of the infant formula. Well, then actually under the consequence, that's a good thing because this infant formula is really almost from hell. I mean, there's high-fructose corn syrup, there's seed oils. These are not designed to optimize human health in any way, shape or form.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Ideally women should be breastfeeding. For those who can't or unable, there are other healthier alternatives. So, it was a good thing. So, in the same way, these malevolent actions that are being focused on our population can result in this awakening of the need to connect spiritually. So, I think it's a brilliant epiphany that you've had. So, thank you for sharing that.

Naomi Wolf:

Thank you. And Dr. Mercola, I want to thank you too, because as far as I know, you're one of the only experts to offer alternative recipes for breastmilk and for formula to women who can't breastfeed and who can't get formula. I really appreciate you sharing that.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. Simple things to do. I mean, we've mentioned that many times and there's very clever, sophisticated, again, malevolent intention in the design because you cannot sell commercially in the United States, any competitor to the existing three that exist, or four, whatever they are.

Naomi Wolf:

Oh, wow.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

There's regulatory hurdles that absolutely prevent you. It was like 15, 20 years ago. We were going to provide a healthy infant formula. You can't. It's like physically impossible. You cannot pass the regulatory threshold. They put up these barriers to prevent any competition, but there's nothing to prevent you from sharing how someone can create their own healthy infant formula. And that's what we've done. Unfortunately, we delete our articles after 48 hours, but it's on my Substack. And if you go to Substack, you just put in the healthy infant formula and you'll come up with the formula that we put, which was modified from Weston Price Foundation.

Naomi Wolf:

I will share that widely. It's really a lifesaver at a time like this for when there's really a war on [crosstalk 00:59:58] which we can discuss.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

But I think even more excitingly, it improves human health, rather than destroys human health. One of the aspects just focusing on the infants, I think it was in your book. Wasn't it your book? Maybe it was on a podcast I was listening to that in the last two years, the IQ has gone down 20 points of kids. Twenty points, 20 points.

Naomi Wolf:

It's shocking. That is in my book. And you're absolutely right. It's a Brown University study that showed that kids socialized during the pandemic lost 21 points in IQ due to restriction of their social interaction. People who work with speech pathologists with children are saying that speech impediments are up 300% because kids learn how to speak from seeing faces. And this is part of the argument I make in “The Bodies of Others,” that these masks well-established have barely any medical purpose, but what they do is they suppress the human advantage of communication and smiling and retard children, essentially. I mean, 21 points is the difference between average and a genius, or average and learning-disabled. Shocking.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Absolutely. All right. Well, it's a great book and I really want to thank you for your perseverance, your commitment, your disciplines, and hanging in there, and seeking to educate and catalyze actions to help prevent global tyranny. Because I mean, it looks like it's on the table. It clearly is. We need all the help we can to resist this force to push us into global slavery.

Naomi Wolf:

Absolutely. And I'm grateful for you and your team as well, Dr. Mercola. Thank you for your part.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

So, the name of the book is “The Bodies, plural, of Others: COVID-19 Authoritarians.” And there's something after that.

Naomi Wolf:

“And The War Against the Human.”

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

“And The War Against the Human.” And then of course, you've got your website, which is the primary website, the DailyClout?

Naomi Wolf:

DailyClout.io. And you can find me on GETTR at Dr. Naomi R. Wolf.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

So much better because they kicked you off of Twitter in June of last year.

Naomi Wolf:

Totally kicked me.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

So you're gone.

Naomi Wolf:

They've still kicked me off, yes. I'm fully silenced. So please order my book.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

No. They've taken us another step that if someone even puts a link to our site or one of our articles, that won't be allowed. They don't even do that for InfoWars.

Naomi Wolf:

No, that's right. We are taboo. So, I'm honored to be in your company.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

Yeah. So, I want to congratulate you too for joining the kryptonite club.

Naomi Wolf:

Oh, is that what we are?

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

We are the kryptonite club, because I've been a member for a long time. So, once you're a member of the kryptonite club, you are forbidden to ever, ever be published by any traditional publisher. They're your kryptonite. They will not touch you.

Naomi Wolf:

And yet we keep being right, and right, right, and right, and right. Well, I'm glad to be in the trenches with you and other heroes. So, thank you so much, Dr. Mercola.

Dr. Joseph Mercola:

All right. Well, thank you for joining us and congratulations on your book.

Naomi Wolf:

Thank you.

This transcript is posted with permission from Dr. Joseph Mercola.