Project Veritas’ fourth video in its COVID vaccine investigative series quotes two Pfizer scientists who said natural immunity is better than Pfizer’s vaccine, and one who called the company “evil” and said it’s “run on COVID money.”

Project Veritas released the fourth video of its COVID vaccine investigative series Monday, which exposes three Pfizer officials saying that antibodies lead to equal if not better protection against the virus compared to the vaccine.

Nick Karl, a scientist who is directly involved in the production of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine, said that natural immunity is more effective than the very vaccine he works on, and Pfizer produces.

“When somebody is naturally immune — like they got COVID — they probably have more antibodies against the virus … When you actually get the virus, you’re going to start producing antibodies against multiple pieces of the virus … So, your antibodies are probably better at that point than the [COVID] vaccination,” Karl said.