Rob Verkerk talks turkey with veteran activist and campaigner, Ronnie Cummins, as they dissect the underbelly of the covid-19 crisis

Ronnie Cummins is a veteran activist, founder and director of the Organic Consumers Association, a non-profit, US-based network of more than two million consumers dedicated to safeguarding organic standards and promoting a healthy, just, and regenerative system of food and farming. He cut his activist teeth on anti-war activism in the 1960s and has since pushed for change across a wide range of fields from human rights, anti-nuclear, labour and consumer issues, and, of course, for sustainable and regenerative agriculture.

His deep understanding of how political, economic and natural systems work puts Ronnie in a unique position to evaluate the human response to the new pathogen, SARS-CoV-2, that entered our lives over a year ago. A pathogen that increasingly looks to have originated from a lab. Ronnie joined forces with Joe Mercola, founder of Mercola.com and co-authored a blistering analysis of the back story behind covid-19.