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Explosive Testimony: Police & Firemen Report What Really Happened on 911

Explosive Testimony:
Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories
David Ray Griffin

"[T]here was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on
television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going
all the way around like a belt, all these explosions."
--Firefighter Richard Banaciski

"I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know
like when they demolish a building?"
--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

"[I]t was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on
certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."
--Paramedic Daniel Rivera
The above quotations come from a collection of 9/11 oral histories that,
although recorded by the Fire Department of New York (FDNY) at the end of
2001, were publicly released only on August 12, 2005. Prior to that date,
very few Americans knew the content of these accounts or even the fact that
they existed.
Why have we not known about them until recently? Part of the answer is that
the city of New York would not release them until it was forced to do so.
Early in 2002, the New York Times requested copies under the freedom of
information act, but Mayor Michael Bloomberg's administration refused. So
the Times, joined by several families of 9/11 victims, filed suit. After a
long process, the city was finally ordered by the New York Court of Appeals
to release the records (with some exceptions and redactions allowed).
Included were oral histories, in interview form, provided by 503
firefighters and medical workers.1 (Emergency Medical Services had become a
division within the Fire Department.2) The Times then made these oral
histories publicly available.3
Once the content of these testimonies is examined, it is easy to see why
persons concerned to protect the official story about 9/11 would try to keep
them hidden. By suggesting that explosions were occurring in the World Trade
Center's Twin Towers, they pose a challenge to the official account of 9/11,
according to which the towers were caused to collapse solely by the impact
of the airplanes and the resulting fires.
In any case, now that the oral histories have finally been released, it is
time for Americans and the world in general to see what these brave men and
women reported about that fateful day. If this information forces a
reevaluation of the official story about 9/11, better now than later.
That said, it must be added that although these oral histories are of great
significance, they do not contain the first reports of explosions in the
Twin Towers. Such reports---from firefighters, reporters, and people who had
worked in the towers---started becoming available right after 9/11.
These reports, however, were not widely publicized by the mainstream press
and, as a result, have for the most part been known only within the "9/11
truth movement," which has focused on evidence that seems inconsistent with
the official story.
I will begin by summarizing some of those previously available reports.
Readers will then be able to see that although in some respects the newly
released oral histories simply add reinforcement, they also are revelatory
documents: Some of the testimonies are quite stunning, even to people
familiar with the earlier reports; and there are now so many testimonies
that even the most skeptical reader is likely to find the cumulative effect

Previously Available Testimony Suggestive of Explosions in the Twin Towers
The day after 9/11, a story in the Los Angeles Times, referring to the south
tower, said: "There were reports of an explosion right before the tower
fell, then a strange sucking sound, and finally the sound of floors
A story in the Guardian said that "police and fire officials were carrying
out the first wave of evacuations when the first of the World Trade Centre
towers collapsed. Some eyewitnesses reported hearing another explosion just
before the structure crumbled. Police said that it looked almost like a
Œplanned implosion.'"5
"Planned implosion" is another term for controlled demolition, in which
explosives are placed at crucial places throughout a building so that, when
set off in the proper order, they will cause the building to come down in
the desired way. When it is close to other buildings, the desired way will
be straight down into, or at least close to, the building's footprint, so
that it does not damage the surrounding buildings. This type of controlled
demolition is called an "implosion." To induce an implosion in steel-frame
buildings, the explosives must be set so as to break the steel columns. Each
of the Twin Towers had 47 massive steel columns in its core and 236 steel
columns around the periphery.
To return now to testimonies about explosions: There were many reports about
an explosion in the basement of the north tower. For example, janitor
William Rodriguez reported that he and others felt an explosion below the
first sub-level office at 9 AM, after which co-worker Felipe David, who had
been in front of a nearby freight elevator, came into the office with severe
burns on his face and arms yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"6
Rodriguez's account has been corroborated by José Sanchez, who was in the
workshop on the fourth sub-level. Sanchez said that he and a co-worker heard
a big blast that "sounded like a bomb," after which "a huge ball of fire
went through the freight elevator."7
Engineer Mike Pecoraro, who was working in the sixth sub-basement of the
north tower, said that after an explosion he and a co-worker went up to the
C level, where there was a small machine shop. "There was nothing there but
rubble," said Pecoraro. "We're talking about a 50 ton hydraulic
press--gone!" They then went to the parking garage, but found that it was
also gone. Then on the B level, they found that a steel-and-concrete fire
door, which weighed about 300 pounds, was wrinkled up "like a piece of
aluminum foil." Having seen similar things after the terrorist attack in
1993, Pecoraro was convinced that a bomb had gone off.8
Given these testimonies to explosions in the basement levels of the towers,
it is interesting that Mark Loizeaux, head of Controlled Demolition, Inc.,
has been quoted as saying: "If I were to bring the towers down, I would put
explosives in the basement to get the weight of the building to help
collapse the structure."9

Multiple Explosions
Some of the testimonies suggested that more than one explosion occurred in
one tower or the other. FDNY Captain Dennis Tardio, speaking of the south
tower, said: "I hear an explosion and I look up. It is as if the building is
being imploded, from the top floor down, one after another, boom, boom,
In June of 2002, NBC television played segments from tapes recorded on 9/11.
One segment contained the following exchange, which involved firefighters in
the south tower:
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.11
Firefighter Louie Cacchioli, after entering the north tower lobby and seeing
elevator doors completely blown out and people being hit with debris, asked
himself, "how could this be happening so quickly if a plane hit way above?"
After he reached the 24th floor, he and another fireman "heard this huge
explosion that sounded like a bomb [and] knocked off the lights and stalled
the elevator." After they pried themselves out of the elevator, "another
huge explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes
later . . . [and] I'm thinking, ŒOh. My God, these bastards put bombs in
here like they did in 1993!'"12
Multiple explosions were also reported by Teresa Veliz, who worked for a
software development company in the north tower. She was on the 47th floor,
she reported, when suddenly "the whole building shook. . . . [Shortly
thereafter] the building shook again, this time even more violently." Then,
while Veliz was making her way downstairs and outside: "There were
explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs
planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel
pushing detonator buttons. . . . There was another explosion. And another. I
didn't know where to run."13
Steve Evans, a New York-based correspondent for the BBC, said: "I was at the
base of the second tower . . . that was hit. . . . There was an explosion. .
. . The base of the building shook. . . . [T]hen there was a series of
Sue Keane, an officer in the New Jersey Fire Police Department who was
previously a sergeant in the U.S. Army, said in her account of the onset of
the collapse of the south tower: "[I]t sounded like bombs going off. That's
when the explosions happened. . . . I knew something was going to happen. .
. . It started to get dark, then all of a sudden there was this massive
explosion." Then, discussing her experiences during the collapse of the
north tower, she said: "[There was] another explosion. That sent me and the
two firefighters down the stairs. . . . I can't tell you how many times I
got banged around. Each one of those explosions picked me up and threw me. .
. . There was another explosion, and I got thrown with two firefighters out
onto the street."15
Wall Street Journal reporter John Bussey, describing his observation of the
collapse of the south tower from the ninth floor of the WSJ office building,
said: "I . . . looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like
perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor. . . . One after
the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the
floors blew to pieces."16
Another Wall Street Journal reporter said that after seeing what appeared to
be "individual floors, one after the other exploding outward," he thought:
"ŒMy God, they're going to bring the building down.' And they, whoever they
are, HAD SET CHARGES. . . . I saw the explosions."17
A similar perception was reported by Beth Fertig of WNYC Radio, who said:
"It just descended like a timed explosion‹like when they are deliberately
bringing a building down. . . . It was coming down so perfectly that in one
part of my brain I was thinking, 'They got everyone out, and they're
bringing the building down because they have to.'"18
A more graphic testimony to this perception was provided on the film made by
the Naudet brothers. In a clip from that film, one can watch two firemen
describing their experiences to other firemen.
Fireman 1: "We made it outside, we made it about a block . . . ."
Fireman 2: "We made it at least two blocks and we started running." He makes
explosive sounds and then uses a chopping hand motion to emphasize his next
point: "Floor by floor it started popping out . . . ."
Fireman 1: "It was as if they had detonated--as if they were planning to
take down a building, boom boom boom boom boom . . . ."
Fireman 2: "All the way down. I was watching it and running. And then you
just saw this cloud of shit chasing you down."19
As these illustrations show, quite impressive testimony to the occurrence of
explosions in the Twin Towers existed even prior to the release of the oral
histories. As we will see, however, these oral histories have made the
testimony much more impressive, qualitatively as well as quantitatively. The
cumulative testimony now points even more clearly than before not simply to
explosions but to controlled demolition.

Testimonies in the Oral Histories Suggestive of Controlled Demolition
Several FDNY members reported that they heard an explosion just before the
south tower collapsed. For example, Battalion Chief John Sudnik said that
while he and others were working at the command post, "we heard a loud
explosion or what sounded like a loud explosion and looked up and I saw
tower two start coming down."20
Firefighter Timothy Julian said: "First I thought it was an explosion. I
thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane, but delayed type of thing, you
know secondary device. . . . I just heard like an explosion and then a
cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling
and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming
Emergency medical technician Michael Ober said: "[W]e heard a rumble, some
twisting metal, we looked up in the air, and . . . it looked to me just like
an explosion. It didn't look like the building was coming down, it looked
like just one floor had blown completely outside of it. . . . I didn't think
they were coming down. I just froze and stood there looking at it."22 Ober's
testimony suggests that he heard and saw the explosion before he saw any
sign that the building was coming down.
This point is made even more clearly by Chief Frank Cruthers, who said:
"There was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the
very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out
horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could
see the beginning of the collapse."23
These statements by Ober and Cruthers, indicating that there was a delay
between the explosion and the beginning of the collapse, suggest that the
sounds and the horizontal ejection of materials could not be attributed
simply to the onset of the collapse.
Shaking Ground before the Collapse
As we saw earlier, some people in the towers reported that there were
powerful explosions in the basements. Such explosions would likely have
caused the ground to shake.
Such shaking was reported by medical technician Lonnie Penn, who said that
just before the collapse of the south tower: "I felt the ground shake, I
turned around and ran for my life. I made it as far as the Financial Center
when the collapse happened."24
According to the official account, the vibrations that people felt were
produced by material from the collapsing towers hitting the ground. Penn's
account, however, indicates that the shaking must have occurred several
seconds before the collapse.
Shaking prior to the collapse of the north tower was described by fire
patrolman Paul Curran. He was standing near it, he said, when "all of a
sudden the ground just started shaking. It felt like a train was running
under my feet. . . . The next thing we know, we look up and the tower is
Lieutenant Bradley Mann of the fire department, one of the people to witness
both collapses, described shaking prior to each of them. "Shortly before the
first tower came down," he said, "I remember feeling the ground shaking. I
heard a terrible noise, and then debris just started flying everywhere.
People started running." Then, after they had returned to the area, he said,
"we basically had the same thing: The ground shook again, and we heard
another terrible noise and the next thing we knew the second tower was
coming down."26

Multiple Explosions
The oral histories contain numerous testimonies with reports of more than
one explosion. Paramedic Kevin Darnowski, for example, said: "I started
walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard three explosions, and then we
heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two started to come down."27
Gregg Brady, an emergency medical technician, reported the same thing about
the north tower, saying: "I heard 3 loud explosions. I look up and the north
tower is coming down now."28
Somewhat more explosions were reported by firefighter Thomas Turilli, who
said, referring to the south tower, that "it almost sounded like bombs going
off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight."29
Even more explosions were reported by Craig Carlsen, who said that while he
and other firefighters were looking up at the towers, they "heard explosions
coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever,
but there were about ten explosions. . . . We then realized the building
started to come down."30
As before, "pops" were reported by some witnesses. "As we are looking up at
the [south tower]," said firefighter Joseph Meola, "it looked like the
building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops.
Didn't realize it was the falling--you know, you heard the pops of the
building. You thought it was just blowing out."31
"Pops" were also reported by paramedic Daniel Rivera in the following
Q. How did you know that it [the south tower] was coming down?

A. That noise. It was noise.

Q. What did you hear? What did you see?

A. It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was---do you ever see
professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and
then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'? That's exactly what--because I
thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that's when I saw the
building coming down.32

Collapse Beginning below the Strike Zone and Fire
According to the official account, the "pancaking" of the floors began when
the floors above the strike zone, where the supports were weakened by the
impact of the airplanes and the resulting fires, fell on the floors below.
Some witnesses reported, however, that the collapse of the south tower began
lower than the floors that were struck by the airliner and hence lower than
the fires.
Timothy Burke reported that while he was watching flames coming out of the
south tower, "the building popped, lower than the fire." He later heard a
rumor that "the aviation fuel fell into the pit, and whatever floor it fell
on heated up really bad, and that's why it popped at that floor." At the
time, however, he said, "I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device
because the way the building popped. I thought it was an explosion."33
This same twofold observation was made by firefighter Edward Cachia, who
said: "As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It
actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. . . .
[W]e originally had thought there was like an internal detonation,
explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then
the tower came down."34
Other Indications of Controlled Demolition
Some witnesses reported other phenomena, beyond explosions, suggestive of
controlled demolition.
The Appearance of Implosion: When a building close to other buildings is
brought down by controlled demolition, as mentioned earlier, it typically
implodes and hence comes straight down into, or at least close to, its own
footprint, so that it does not fall over on surrounding structures.
As we saw above in the accounts that were previously available, both police
and fire officials were quoted as saying that the towers seemed to implode.
This perception was also stated in the oral history of Lieutenant James
Walsh, who said: "The [north tower] didn't fall the way you would think tall
buildings would fall. Pretty much it looked like it imploded on itself."35
Flashes: Another common feature of controlled demolitions is that people who
are properly situated may see flashes when the explosives go off. Assistant
Commissioner Stephen Gregory said: "I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came
down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . Lieutenant Evangelista . . . asked
me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with
him because I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of
the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they
blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw."36
Flashes were reported in the north tower by Captain Karin Deshore, who said:
"Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this
orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash."37
Demolition Rings: At this point, Deshore's account moved to another standard
phenomenon seen by those who watch controlled demolitions: explosion rings,
in which a series of explosions runs rapidly around a building. Deshore's
next words were: "Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the
building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and
with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came
out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on
both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions
were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the
An explosion ring (or belt) was also described by firefighter Richard
Banaciski. Speaking of the south tower, he said: "[T]here was just an
explosion. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings.
It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these
A description of what appeared to be a ring of explosions was also given by
Deputy Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick, who said: "We looked up at the
[south tower] . . . . All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2
thirds of the way up . . . . It looked like sparkling around one specific
layer of the building. . . . My initial reaction was that this was exactly
the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV."40
Horizontal Ejections: Another feature of controlled demolition, at least
when quite powerful explosives are used, is that things are ejected
horizontally from the floors on which the explosions occur. Such ejections
were mentioned in the testimony of Chief Frank Cruthers above. Similarly,
Captain Jay Swithers said: "I took a quick glance at the building and while
I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led
me to believe it was just an explosion."41
Firefighter James Curran said: "When I got underneath the north bridge I
looked back and . . . I heard like every floor went chu-chu-chu. Looked back
and from the pressure everything was getting blown out of the floors before
it actually collapsed."42
Battalion Chief Brian Dixon said: "I was . . . hearing a noise and looking
up. . . . [T]he lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like
someone had planted explosives around it because . . . everything blew out
on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it
blew out."43
These reports by Curran and Dixon conform to what can be seen by looking at
photographs and videos of the collapses, which show that various materials,
including sections of steel and aluminum, were blown out hundreds of feet.44
Such powerful ejections of materials are exactly what would be expected from
explosions powerful enough to cause such huge buildings to collapse.
Dust Clouds: The most visible material ejected horizontally from buildings
during controlled demolition, especially buildings with lots of concrete, is
dust, which forms more or less expansive dust clouds. Some of the
testimonies about the collapse of the south tower mention that it produced
an enormous amount of dust, which formed clouds so big and thick that they
blocked out all light.
Firefighter Stephen Viola said: "You heard like loud booms . . . and then we
got covered with rubble and dust, and I thought we'd actually fallen through
the floor . . . because it was so dark you couldn't see anything."45
Firefighter Angel Rivera said: "That's when hell came down. It was like a
huge, enormous explosion. . . . The wind rushed. . . , all the dust. . . and
everything went dark."46
Lieutenant William Wall said: "[W]e heard an explosion. We looked up and the
building was coming down right on top of us. . . . We ran a little bit and
then we were overtaken by the cloud."47
Paramedic Louis Cook said that after the debris started falling, "everything
went black" and "you couldn't breathe because [of] all the dust. There was
just an incredible amount of dust and smoke." He then found that there was,
"without exaggerating, a foot and a half of dust on [his] car."48
The kind of dust clouds typically produced during a controlled demolition
can be seen on videos of the demolition of Seattle's Kingdome and the
Reading Grain Facility.49 If these videos are then compared with photos and
videos of the collapses of the Twin Towers,50 it can be seen that the dust
clouds in the latter are even bigger.51
Timed or Synchronized Explosions: Some people said that the collapses had
the appearance of timed, synchronized demolitions. Battalion Chief Dominick
DeRubbio, speaking of the collapse of the south tower, said: "It was weird
how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion."52
Firefighter Kenneth Rogers said: "[T]here was an explosion in the south
tower. . . . I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under
another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it
was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing.
I was there in '93."53
Debates about Controlled Demolition
Given so many signs that the buildings had been brought down by controlled
demolition, we might expect that debates about this issue would have taken
place. And they did.
Firefighter Christopher Fenyo, after describing events that occurred after
the first collapse, said: "At that point, a debate began to rage because. .
. many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade,
and officers were gathering companies together and the officers were
debating whether or not to go immediately back in or to see what was going
to happen with 1 World Trade at that point. The debate ended pretty quickly
because 1 World Trade came down."54
Firefighter William Reynolds reported on a conversation he had with a
battalion chief: "I said, ŒChief, they're evacuating the other building;
right?' He said, ŒNo.' . . . I said, ŒWhy not? They blew up the other one.'
I thought they blew it up with a bomb. I said, ŒIf they blew up the one, you
know they're gonna blow up the other one.' He said, ŒNo, they're not.' I
said, ŒWell, you gotta tell them to evacuate it, because it's gonna fall
down and you gotta get the guys out.' . . . He said, ŒI'm just the Battalion
Chief. I can't order that.' . . . I said, ŒYou got a fucking radio and you
got a fucking mouth. Use the fucking things. Empty this fucking building.'
Again he said, ŒI'm just a Battalion Chief. I can't do that.' . . .
Eventually this other chief came back and said, ŒThey are evacuating this
tower.' . . . And sometime after that . . . I watched the north tower
As both accounts suggest, the perception that the south tower had been
brought down by explosives may have resulted in fewer lives being lost in
the north tower collapse than would otherwise have been the case.

Why Testimony about Explosions Has Not Become Public Knowledge
If so many witnesses reported effects that seemed to be produced by
explosives, with some of them explicitly saying that the collapses appeared
to be cases of controlled demolition, why is this testimony not public
knowledge? Part of the answer, as I mentioned at the outset, is that the
city of New York refused to release it until forced to do so by the highest
court of the state of New York
But why did we have to wait for this court-ordered release to learn about
these testimonies? Should not they have been discussed in The 9/11
Commission Report, which was issued over a year earlier? This Report, we are
told in the preface, sought "to provide the fullest possible account of the
events surrounding 9/11." Why does it not include any of the testimony in
the 9/11 oral histories suggestive of controlled demolition?
The answer cannot be that the Commission did not know about these oral
histories. Although "[t]he city also initially refused access to the records
to investigators from . . . the 9/11 Commission," Jim Dwyer of the New York
Times tells us, it "relented when legal action was threatened."56 So the
Commission could have discussed the testimonies about explosions in the oral
histories. It also, in order to help educate the public, could have called
some of the firefighters and medical workers to repeat their testimony
during one of the Commission's public hearings. But it did not.
Why, we may wonder, have the firefighters and medical workers not been
speaking out? At least part of the reason may be suggested by a statement
made by Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman Paul Isaac. Having said that "there
were definitely bombs in those buildings," Isaac added that "many other
firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they're afraid for their
jobs to admit it because the Œhigher-ups' forbid discussion of this fact."57
Would we not expect, however, that a few courageous members of the fire
department would have contacted the 9/11 Commission to tell their story?
Indeed. But telling their story to the Commission was no guarantee that it
would find its way into the final report---as indicated by the account of
one fireman who made the effort.
Firefighter Louie Cacchioli, who was quoted earlier, testified in 2004 to
members of the Commission's staff. But, he reported, they were so
unreceptive that he ended up walking out in anger. "I felt like I was being
put on trial in a court room," said Cacchioli. "They were trying to twist my
words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to
do was tell the truth and when they wouldn't let me do that, I walked
That Cacchioli's experience was not atypical is suggested by janitor William
Rodriguez, whose testimony was also quoted earlier. Although Rodriguez was
invited to the White House as a National Hero for his rescue efforts on
9/11, he was, he said, treated quite differently by the Commission: "I met
with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted
everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north
When reading The 9/11 Commission Report, one will not find the name of
Cacchioli, or Rodriguez, or anyone else reporting explosions in the towers.
It would appear that the Commission deliberately withheld this information,
as it apparently did with regard to Able Danger60 and many other things that
should have been included in "the fullest possible account of the events
surrounding 9/11."61
The definitive report about the collapse of the towers was to have been
provided by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST).
According to Rodriguez, however, this investigative body was equally
uninterested in his testimony: "I contacted NIST . . . four times without a
response. Finally, [at a public hearing] I asked them before they came up
with their conclusion . . . if they ever considered my statements or the
statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just
stared at me with blank faces."62
In light of this report of NIST's response, it is not surprising to find
that its final report, which in the course of supporting the official story
about the collapses ignores many vital issues,63 makes no mention of reports
of explosions and other phenomena suggestive of controlled demolition.

It is sometimes said that the mandate of an official commission is, by
definition, to support the official story. Insofar as that is true, it is
not surprising that neither NIST nor the 9/11 Commission saw fit to discuss
testimony suggestive of explosions in the Twin Towers, since this testimony
is in strong tension with the official story.
At least most of those who offered this testimony did not, to be sure, mean
to challenge the most important element in the official story about 9/11,
which is that the attacks were entirely the work of foreign terrorists. For
example, firefighter Timothy Julian, after saying that he "thought it was an
explosion," added: "I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane, but
delayed type of thing, you know secondary device."64 Assistant Commissioner
James Drury said: "I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in
the building."65
The problem, however, is that a bomb delivered by a plane, or even a few
explosives planted "somewhere in the building," would not explain the many
phenomena suggestive of controlled demolition, such as explosion rings and
other features indicating that the explosions were "synchronized" and
otherwise "timed." As Mark Loizeaux, the head of Controlled Demolition,
Inc., has explained, "to bring [a building] down as we want, so no one or no
other structure is harmed," the demolition must be "completely planned." One
needs "the right explosive [and] the right pattern of laying the charges."66
The 9/11 oral histories, therefore, create a difficult question for those
who defend the official story: How could al-Qaeda terrorists have gotten
access to the Twin Towers for all the hours required to place all the
explosives needed to bring down buildings of that size? It is primarily
because they force this question that the testimony about explosions in the
towers is itself explosive.

1. Jim Dwyer, "City to Release Thousands of Oral Histories of 9/11
Today," New York Times, August 12, 2005. As Dwyer explained, the oral
histories "were originally gathered on the order of Thomas Von Essen, the
city fire commissioner on Sept. 11, who said he wanted to preserve those
accounts before they became reshaped by a collective memory."
3. Jim Dwyer, "Vast Archive Yields New View of 9/11," New York Times,
August 13, 2005.
5. These oral histories are available at a NYT website
7. Los Angeles Times, September 12, 2001.
9. "Special Report: Terrorism in the US," Guardian, Sept. 12, 2001.
11. Greg Szymanski, "WTC Basement Blast and Injured Burn Victim Blows
'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High," Arctic, June 24, 2005.
13. Greg Szymanski, "Second WTC Janitor Comes Forward With
Eye-Witness Testimony Of 'Bomb-Like' Explosion in North Tower Basement,"
Arctic, July 12, 2005.
15. "We Will Not Forget: A Day of Terror," The Chief Engineer, July,
17. Christopher Bollyn, "New Seismic Data Refutes Official
Explanation," American Free Press, Updated April 12, 2004
19. Quoted in Dennis Smith, Report from Ground Zero: The Story of the
Rescue Efforts at the World Trade Center (New York: Penguin, 2002), 18.
21. "911 Tapes Tell Horror Of 9/11," Part 2, "Tapes Released For
First Time," NBC TV, June 17, 2002 (
22. Greg Szymanski, "NY Fireman Lou Cacchioli Upset that 9/11
Commission 'Tried to Twist My Words,'" Arctic, July 19, 2005.
Although the oral histories that were released on August 12 did not include
one from Cacchioli, the fact that he was on duty is confirmed in the oral
history of Thomas Turilli, page 4.
24. Dean E. Murphy, September 11: An Oral History (New York:
Doubleday, 2002), 9-15.
26. BBC, Sept. 11, 2001.
28. Quoted in Susan Hagen and Mary Carouba, Women at Ground Zero:
Stories of Courage and Compassion (Indianapolis: Alpha Books, 2002), 65-66,
30. John Bussey, "Eye of the Storm: One Journey Through Desperation
and Chaos," Wall Street Journal, September 12, 2001
32. Alicia Shepard, Cathy Trost, and Newseum, Running Toward Danger:
Stories Behind the Breaking News of 9/11, Foreword by Tom Brokaw (Lanham,
Md.: Rowman & Littlefield, 2002), 87.
34. Quoted in Judith Sylvester and Suzanne Huffman, Women Journalists
at Ground Zero (Lanham: Rowman & Littlefield, 2002), 19.
36. For the video of this conversation, see "Evidence of Demolition
Charges in WTC 2," What Really Happened
38. Oral History of John Sudnik, 4 (for where to find the 9/11 oral
histories of the FDNY, see note 3, above).
40. Oral History of Timothy Julian, 10.
42. Oral History of Michael Ober, 4.
44. Oral History of Frank Cruthers, 4.
46. Oral History of Lonnie Penn, 5.
48. Oral History of Paul Curran, 11.
50. Oral History of Bradley Mann, 5-7.
52. Oral History of Kevin Darnowski, 8.
54. Oral History of Gregg Brady, 7.
56. Oral History of Thomas Turilli, 4.
58. Oral History of Craig Carlsen, 5-6.
60. Oral History of Joseph Meola, 5.
62. Oral History of Daniel Rivera, 9.
64. Oral History of Timothy Burke, 8-9.
66. Oral History of Edward Cachia, 5.
68. Oral History of James Walsh, 15.
70. Oral History of Stephen Gregory, 14-16.
72. Oral History of Karin Deshore, 15.
74. Ibid.
76. Oral History of Richard Banaciski, 3-4.
78. Oral History of Thomas Fitzpatrick, 13-14.
80. Oral history of Jay Swithers, 5.
82. Oral History of James Curran, 10-11.
84. Oral History of Brian Dixon, 15. Like many others, Dixon
indicated that he later came to accept the official interpretation, adding:
"Then I guess in some sense of time we looked at it and realized, no,
actually it just collapsed. That's what blew out the windows, not that there
was an explosion there but that windows blew out."
86. See, for example, Eric Hufschmid's Painful Questions: An Analysis
of the September 11th Attack (Goleta, Calif.: Endpoint Software, 2002); Jim
Hoffman's website (; and Jeff King's
especially "The World Trade Center Collapse: How Strong is the Evidence for
a Controlled Demolition?"
88. Oral History of Stephen Viola, 3.
90. Oral History of Angel Rivera, 7.
92. Oral History of William Wall, 9.
94. Oral History of Louis Cook, 8, 35.
96. The demolition of the Kingdome can be viewed at the website of
Controlled Demolition, Inc.
317140323), that of the Reading Grain Facility at
( I am indebted to Jim Hoffman for
help on this and several other issues.
98. See the writings of Hufschmid, Hoffman, and King mentioned in
note 44.
100. For a calculation of the energy required simply for the
expansion of one of the resulting dust clouds, see Jim Hoffman, "The North
Tower's Dust Cloud"
( Hoffman
concludes that gravitational energy would have been far from sufficient.
102. Oral History of Dominick DeRubbio, 5. DeRubbio, at least
professing to accept the official interpretation, added, "but I guess it was
just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other."
104. Oral History of Kenneth Rogers, 3-4.
106. Oral History of Christopher Fenyo, 6-7.
108. Oral History of William Reynolds, 8.
110. Dwyer, "City to Release Thousands of Oral Histories of 9/11
112. Randy Lavello, "Bombs in the Building"; Prison
114. Greg Szymanski, "NY Fireman Lou Cacchioli Upset that 9/11
Commission 'Tried to Twist My Words'" Arctic, July 19, 2005.
116. Greg Szymanski, "WTC Basement Blast and Injured Burn Victim
Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High," Arctic, June 24, 2005.
118. See MSNBC, "Officer: 9/11 Panel Didn't Pursue Atta Claim" August
17, 2005 (, and
Philip Shenon, "Navy Officer Affirms Assertions about Pre-9/11 Data on
Atta," New York Times, August 22, 2005.
120. For other items, see David Ray Griffin, The 9/11 Commission
Report: Omissions and Distortions (Northampton: Interlink, 2005).
122. Greg Szymanski, "WTC Basement Blast and Injured Burn Victim
Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High," Arctic, June 24, 2005.
124. See Kevin Ryan, "Propping Up the War on Terror: Lies about the
WTC by NIST and Underwriters Laboratories," in David Ray Griffin and Peter
Dale Scott, eds., 9/11 and the American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out
(Northampton, Mass.: Interlink Books, Fall 2006), and Jim Hoffman, "Building
a Better Mirage: NIST's 3-Year $20,000,000 Cover-Up of the Crime of the
Century" (
126. Oral History of Timothy Julian, 10.
128. Oral History of James Drury, 12.
130. Liz Else, "Baltimore Blasters," New Scientist 183/2457 (July 24,
2004), 48
75.700). Surprisingly, after explaining how precisely explosives must be set
to ensure that a building comes straight down, Loizeaux said that upon
seeing the fires in the Twin Towers, he knew that they were "going to
pancake down, almost vertically. It was the only way they could fail. It was
inevitable." Given the fact that fire had never before caused tall
steel-frame buildings to collapse, let alone in a way that perfectly
mimicked controlled demolition, Loizeaux's statement was doubly puzzling.
His company, incidentally, was hired to do the clean-up of the WTC site
after 9/11.
132. I could not have written this essay without the amazingly
generous help of Matthew Everett, who located and passed on to me most of
the statements in the 9/11 oral histories quoted herein.
David Ray Griffin is professor emeritus of philosophy of religion and
theology at the Claremont School of Theology and Claremont Graduate
University, where he taught 31 years. He has published some 30 books,
including The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush
Administration and 9/11 (Interlink Books, 2004) and The 9/11 Commission
Report: Omissions and Distortions (Interlink Books, 2005).

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